Advances in nuclear bombs design
This just came back onto my mind after reading about people freaking out over Iranian nukes, an article by Nate Silver earlier in the year, quoting a "renowned scholar", albeit not one that I'd ever heard of:
The renowned Harvard scholar Graham Allison has posited that there is greater than a 50% likelihood of a nuclear terrorist attack in the next decade, which he says could kill upward of 500,000 people. If we accept Mr. Allison's estimates—a 5% chance per year of a 500,000-fatality event in a Western country (25,000 causalities per year)—the risk from such incidents is some 150 times greater than that from conventional terrorist attacks. Other scholars consider the chance of a nuclear incident to be much lower. Even if Mr. Allison has overestimated the risk by fivefold, and the number of causalities by threefold, it would still represent 10 times the threat that conventional terrorism does.
Leaving aside the risk argument here, is there some reason why we are assuming that the terrorists have a bomb that would cause more than twice as many casualties as the combined Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks (even on Nate's 3x overestimate, we still have the terrorists in possession of Big Boy)? Has technology (specifically, the kind of technology available to the common man) progressed so much? Anyone know anything? I thought that the Pakistani nuclear program had only got to a level of sophistication where its bombs were in the same 20 kiloton yield as the two dropped on Japan - obviously Iran doesn't have any nukes at all. Since one would presume that terrorists weren't going to be able to carry out much in the way of a testing program (something that's been absolutely essential for every current nuclear power), I don't see why we'd be assuming they would do much better in terms of yield, particularly as they would presumably be attacking somewhere that was less vulnerable to firestorms than a wood-built 1940s Japanese city.
The answer to this is probably found using your handy online Nuclear Bomb Effects Computer.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Bombcalc?yield=20&yunit=1&sburst=y&range=1&runit=1&rotate=0&imsize=800
Assuming that the bomb would go off at ground level rather than in an airburst makes a huge difference to the effect. Even as close as a mile, you'd have a good chance of surviving as long as you were indoors and away from the windows (which would all break). Even in Manhattan, that radius doesn't include more than 100,000 people (71k per square mile).
Ground bursts have hellish fallout, but even including that, I'm not sure how you get to 500 kilodeaths.
While I'm displaying a disturbing familiarity with atomic weapon effects, I should point out that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were "Little Boy" and "Fat Man" respectively, and I've no idea what "Big Boy" might be, apart from a US fast food chain, because I lead a sheltered life.
ReplyDeleteAnd another thing!
ReplyDelete"Since one would presume that terrorists weren't going to be able to carry out much in the way of a testing program (something that's been absolutely essential for every current nuclear power)"
... not strictly true. The Manhattan Project produced two completely different designs of bomb, and only tested one of them (Fat Man/Trinity); the first test of the Little Boy type was when it was dropped on Hiroshima.
And there's quite a lot of ambiguity (pace the Guardian letters page recently) about whether Israel has actualyl ever tested its nukes
ReplyDeletethanks very much. Noodling around, they are apparently talking about a 10 kiloton device detonated in Times Square on a weekday. This reference agrees with Ajay on the numbers if detonated at night, but doesn't give numbers based on daytime population.
ReplyDelete"quoting a "renowned scholar", albeit not one that I'd ever heard of"
ReplyDeleteWhen quite young, I think, Allison wrote a book about the Cuban Missile Crisis called "Essence of Decision", which some of the political scientists like. I don't think he ever did anything else worthwhile after that.
I remember from my own time in Cambridge Mass 10+ years ago that occasionally you'd see him on panels, where he would do exactly what he's presented as doing here, talking about his estimates of probabilities of various things happening. I think he thought it was supposed to sound well-informed and authoritative. But in fact he just came across as an idiot trying to sound w-i and a.
The real risk of such an attack, however, is not being directly affected, which is rather small in any case, but the virtual certainty that it would be used as an excuse for gruesome violence globally and unprecedented repression domestically.
ReplyDeleteNow there's a mobile application that wants doing. Nuclear Effects Calc: absolutely the last app you'll ever need, because it'll tell you whether the EMP fries your mobile or the blast, heat, and initial radiation just crushes, scorches, or fries you!
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, the circular slide rule has an advantage.
Mr. D,
ReplyDeleteI couldn't see where to contact you directly so I'm leaving this here. Clicking through to the post from the RSS feed (on Google Reader, anyway) leads to a page with no comments displayed. Would you mind poking into your blog configuration and see if you can make the links in the RSS feed link to pages where comments can be viewed?
An example link is here: http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2010/08/advances-in-nuclear-bombs-design-this.html -- no comments are visible.
Incidentally, the title doesn't display properly in the RSS feed either, but it does display down in the post itself so that's a minor concern.
I'll have another go at the comments thing. I don't understand why the individual post links don't have the comments link, and yes, it drives me mad too. I think it's because I use this absurdly old-school template.
ReplyDeleteMoving to Wordpress is quick & easy, and you don't lose old comments.
ReplyDeleteI express all of my hunches mathematically for the sake of precision. This allows quantitatively oriented people like Silver to perform mathematical operations on my estimates, which they couldn't do if I just said "Something wicked this way comes" or "I had a vision of the world drowned in blood". Allison should have used at least one decimal point, though.
ReplyDeleteNice article, thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteThis article might be exact as what happened in Japan of today.
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. Davies,
ReplyDeleteSorry to post a comment off-topic but I came across a very pithy sentence that you might enjoy, and compares favorably with your "good ideas don't need lots of lies" quote.
See the last sentence of paragraph 2 here.
Kindest Regards,
Robert Bell