Swine flu - not really anyone's finest hour. Alternatively Swine flu - a disaster averted. Alternatively, Swine flu - who are these people anyway?.
It looks like a really hard question, but hard questions are what has to be answered when an awful lot of public money has gone up the swannee. And readers will not be surprised to learn that in terms of taking responsibility for a massive forecasting error, the doctors are about as good as the bankers were. Interpreting who's right and who's wrong is the devil's own job, there are points on both sides, but my tentative conclusions would be:
- The Flynn report is pretty good - the New Scientist blog's description of it is a real hatchet job and the actual report is nothing like as sensational as it suggests (I think the NS writer is partly replying to the somewhat irresponsible title of the original Council of Europe proposal). I really don't think it's helpful to respond to a case where the plain facts of the matter are that a pandemic was massively misforecast by accusing people of being paranoid schizophrenics.
- The WHO's disclosure policies are clearly all over the place - anyone with any familiarity with the financial sector will recognise the classic signs of an organisation that had historically believed itself to be above question, reacting in a panicky fashion when it does get questioned, and needs to suddenly justify all its internal and tacit processes according to an external and juridical standard. I don't actually believe there is any impropriety here, but it's clearly a right old state and needs sorting out.
- Further to the above, I am not really happy with the way in which the NS blog deals with quite material suggestions of conflict of interest or breaches of transparency (this one, for instance) by just saying "that's the way the world works, deal with it". If it's true that every medical researcher in the world is in some way or other financially linked to a couple of large drug companies, that's an entirely proper object of critical comment, and it isn't "conspiracy theory" to say it's not a satisfactory state of affairs.
- The practice of having "sleeper contracts" triggered by the WHO's announcement of a pandemic is clearly a problem waiting to happen, as was the misspecification of those contracts so as to allow the suppliers to use vaccines with patented adjuvants (I didn't know what an "adjuvant" was previously - now I do) which knocked up the price by a factor of two or three. Given the existence of these contracts, much more work should have been done on sharpening up the WHO criteria - the fact that they were still in development (and subject to a major change in May 2009 which had the effect of making pandemics much more likely to be declared) has to be seen as really unsatisfactory.
- In general, I don't like the way in which the WHO global influenze framework has developed hand in hand with the patent life cycle of Tamiflu and Relenza, or the way in which the issues of antivirals and vaccinations got mixed together in all of the public health communication. Nothing beyond a spidey-sense here, but it does seem to me to be a potentially conflict-rich "business as usual" environment.
- Finally, this was a massive great thumping failure of a vaccination campaign and a really bad piece of communication, which is particularly problematic given that the H1N1 virus hasn't gone away and might very well come back for a second tap. Having done quite a lot of my own work trying to forecast H1N1 last year I am well aware that the WHO was working with really poor quality data, but the Flynn report is absolutely correct to say that its communication of the uncertainty surrounding its estimates (and particularly, its failure to be clear about the fact that the virulence of the 2009 outbreak was very much lower than initial estimates suggested) was not good.
Really though, it's just another example of the genre - large bureaucracies are in general much too close to people they're meant to be regulating, in general prone to groupthink and in general much too prone to retreating into their shell when challenged by outsiders in the event of major failures.
Comment from a EBM blog:
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So this is like George Monbiot on Phil Jones?
ReplyDeleteAs your friends at CT would say:
"Power corrupts... others."
Thanks very much hardinr. It's a good piece although I must say I love the example of mote-beam-blindness here where he says:
ReplyDelete"But there is then a vast gray zone between these clear conflicts and having no industry ties at all"
in the manner of one explaining a fundamental fact about the world to a slow child, as if there was no problem here at all. "A vast gray zone", of course, nothing wrong with that!
That's just the way he writes, and the blog is meant for a general readership, not only for only specialists.
ReplyDelete"much too prone to retreating into their shell when challenged by outsiders in the event of major failures"
ReplyDelete"It looks like a really hard question,"
There are always hard questions, and we will always need adults, and even adults will need laws.
It's pointless to debate conflict of interest in search of a perfect solution and perfect "truth" The only solution is formal: mandated and absolute full disclosure to the public. That's the function of law.
You break the law not with bribery which is hard to prove but by proof of non-disclosure which is easy to show.
"...much too prone to retreating into their shell when challenged by outsiders"
People who can argue honestly about the WHO policy should be able to argue honestly about other issues. Right now, in Orwell's terms, Jews in Israel are "more equal" than Palestinians.
Exceptionalism is the opposite of law. For the WHO, Israel, and anyone else.
I have no expert knowledge at all, but I can say without much doubt that this is the single most important question: how do we teach people to make them willing and able honestly to argue one way or another? How do we produce curious engaged adults rather than expert rule-followers?
Not by micro-management
I'm not only being a schmuck, I'm making serious points about choices and moral responsibility
how do we teach people to make them willing and able honestly to argue one way or another?
ReplyDeleteyes in many ways that's the theme of this blog (or at least it is since I had kids, got promoted and grew up a bit - some of the earlier posts errrm cough mumble). Current best answer is "fucked if I know".
Two things that might help:
ReplyDelete1) Teaching people that there is never a perfect solution, or certainty.
2) Giving people responsibility for their beliefs/decisions. There's a big difference between (for instance) arguing that there shouldn't be any new buildings here, and being involved in the planning process that requires you to consider all the stakeholders/compromises/etc.
Oh and banning the Daily Mail/Telegraph obviously.
It's never safe to assume you're on the side of reason. People are partial to their assumptions and their friends. That's why law is formalism and why our justice system is adversarial.
ReplyDeleteAssuming your own sense of reason is why a defender of Jim Crow is now chatting away as a guest poster on a self-consciously liberal site. The rule of equal protection is being ignored because "we're reasoning adults."
It's like economics: Assume A: 'Soldier' is a label, just like 'terrorist'. Soldiers can kill 5 times the number of civilians as their enemies and be the invading army, and they'll still have the irrational advantage of being called soldiers. And Palestinians still have the disadvantage of never yet having a recognized state; after or before 1947. As if a state were an a natural extension of the language of chemistry and physics: Quark, Electron, Atom, Molecule... State.
A man I know grew up listening to stories of his grandmother, pouring vats of boiling water and cayenne pepper from parapets onto British soldiers, scalding them to death. This was India in the 1930's She was proud and he still is.
Several of his researchers say that Dershowitz doesn’t subscribe to the scholarly convention of researching first, then drawing conclusions." Pot, meet kettle. One may be cheap cast iron and the other may be Le Creuset (pretend it comes in black) but that doesn't solve the problem. And Henry is still looking for a way to link everyone's favorite preacher of Eugenics Tyler Cowen
The line between DeLong and Patterico or TPM and Red State isn't as big as any of them want to think. They're all run on one form or another of normative assumption.
Zionism is Racism
I was born in NYC and grew up in Amsterdam, and the (pretty early) realisation that the support of a particular sports team (Yankees, Ajax) was *completely fucking arbitrary* based on where you lived was a big component in my education.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how this might help outside of moving the family around and hoping the kids catch on.
There's an expression in the English language "shoe on the other foot" that I wish was way more popular and valued than it apparently is.
Some other things which helped me personally to not BACAI were
1) a quote from, I think, Gregory Bateson saying his family was atheist but as kids, they read the bible, so as not to be *ignorant* atheists).
2) Hippie parents (yeah yeah they had their drawbacks, trust me) who told me about eg the slaughter of native americans, the general principle that ppl who want authority probably shouldn't have it, etc.
3) Reading a lot. Fiction (good fiction) can teach you to empathise with those whose lots are different.
In fact I'd say empathy is a big component of any sensible view of the world.
Smoking a lot of weed/hash and reading Robert Anton Wilson in my teens certainly helped to solidify my views and/or put them in words....
Sorry, just to repeat and empathise: get yr kids into reading as much/varied fiction as possible.
ReplyDeleteI honestly think this has the highest anti-BACAI ratio out there. Those 3 extra hr/night will have a big fn influence --
after having dsquared as a dad, obviously (<--not sarcastic, wish my dad had been as fearless)