The Imperialist Definite Article
We had a quite nice discussion of this linguistic phenomenon in the comments below; it's the extraneous "The" which creeps into the names of countries like Gambia (Update!!! "The Republic of The Gambia" actually kept its IDA on Independence; "Gambia" is colloquial!), Sudan, Ukraine, etc in the language of careless and/or ignorant speakers. I personally tend toward the view that use of the IDA is ignorant rather than merely careless, because 1) getting someone's name right is an important sign of respect, viz the BBC Pronunciation Theory Of Geopolitics, and 2) in general and with only a few exceptions, these countries are former colonies, which were referred to with the definite article when they were colonies and which gave up the IDA on declaring independence (I think Justin said that if the Gorbals were to declare independence they would almost certainly call themselves the Republic Of Gorbal).
So when someone talks about "the Sudan", he always sounds a bit like he's impersonating Kitchener; there's always the ghost of "Belgian" there when someone says "the Congo". I think that the reason is that, in imperial days it was understood that "the [geographical feature]" was shorthand for "the collection of administrative districts around [geographical feature]". At independence, the new country didn't want to think of itself as a collection of imperial administrative units grouped on a geographical feature, for the fairly obvious reason that you can't build a nation on that basis[1]. Of course, the tragedy[2] is that in a number of cases these putative nation states actually were little more than a collection of administrative districts grouped on a geographical feature[Updatesee [4] below], so all they could really do for a name was drop the imperialist definite article.
Interestingly (and if anyone wants to drop this into their literary theory PhD thesis, be my guest), Conrad's story first appeared as "The Heart of Darkness" in Blackwood's magazine, but when the book was published, the title was "Heart of Darkness".
[1] Other than the United States of America, obviously[3]. But there is a genuine exceptionalism here; the USA basically invented federalism and the geographical feature in question was more or less an entire continent that they were laying claim to. And in any case, I think it has to be recognised that "The United States of America" is a crap name; I forget which American comedian it was that noted that GREAT BRITAIN!! would never have got anywhere in the world if they'd called themselves "The Combined Parishes On An Island".
[2] As I've mentioned before on the blog, I am not a fan of the kind of beard-stroking pop-anthropology approach to treating any African political problem as "tribal", or to the kind of poor man's postimperialism that analyses all such problems as stemming from the original sin of the "artificiality" of African states; particularly I really don't rate these pipe dreams of a patchwork of "monoethnic" states that various bum-talkers occasionally draw up. But one does have to recognise that plenty of problems do have an ethnic dimension, and that obviously the political expression of that problem is going to depend on how the nation-state boundaries were drawn, just as the difference between the boundaries of Germany and the distribution of the German-speaking peoples caused no end of trouble in Europe last century.
[3] Or the Netherlands, but I'm not sure this is equivalent; lots of place names in Dutch have definite articles (muddying the waters further, "la France" has a definite article in French, but not in English).
[4] A worrying counterexample to this pet theory is Sudan, because Sudan isn't a geographical feature - "Bilad-al-Sudan" is Arabic for "Lands where the black people live". Sudan's a historical entity, though, and it was being called Sudan for a long time before the colonialists arrived.
Cotswolds.
ReplyDeleteWhat about "The United Kingdom?"
ReplyDeleteThe People's Republic of South Yorkshire.
ReplyDeleteRe Cotswolds, I stand corrected.
ReplyDeleteRe "UK": yeah, nearly all countries have a definite article in their full formal names because they begin with "The Kingdom of", "The Peoples' Republic of", "The Most Serene Republic of" (the last one is San Marino). But the everyday name of the UK is "Britain", isn't it?
No, because Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland. In a similar but dissimilar sense, America includes more than just the USA.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about the UK is, it's the UK. Spain's a kingdon and France a republic, but they're Spain and France. But because they're nations (or rather, they conceive of themselves as such) their names are the name of the nation and the nameplate in front of the UN representative will say that. The UK's nameplate will say United Kingdom - omitting, as it happens, the article - but I'm sure if the ambassador is introduced, it will be as "the ambassador of the United Kingdom" etc. Whereas the French ambassador will be the ambassador of France.
Sorry, I just wanted to be a jerk with the UK, but how about "The Philippines," or is that too much like "The Hawai'ian Islands?"
ReplyDeleteThere's also that strange use of 'The' in front of some London roads (I'm sure it happens elsewhere) such as 'The Finchley Road', 'The Edgware Road'*, 'The Archway Road', as if they are only roads that go to the aforementioned places, rather than that is actually the name of the road these days, and without the 'the'. I think 'The King's Road' is different as that's its name, though I might be wrong.
ReplyDelete* James Hamilton pointed out that on A-Zs this is spelt Edgeware Road, presumably to catch out copiers.
The King's Road is just called "King's Road", at least at the Sloane Square end.
ReplyDeleteI'll be impressed if anyone can come up with a place name that takes the indefinite article.
The King's Road is just called "King's Road"
ReplyDeleteIt is, but Londoners will often refer to it (a Londoner writes) using the article.
See "knocked 'em in the Old Kent Road" although you won't see the article on any street sign.
"No, because Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland"
ReplyDeleteHmm, not sure about that. "Great Britain" doesn't include NI. Since "Britain" doesn't have a formal/legal meaning, we need to go by usage.
Unfortunately, since 99% of people who talk about the various entities that constitute the British Isles don't care in the slightest about NI, the CIs or the IOM, this suggests "Britain" can mean more or less any combination of the above. Except the ROI, on the grounds that if the people involved get really, really, really angry when referred to by a particular term then it's probably wrong.
[semirelatedly, although Northern Irelanders aren't from Great Britain, they are British citizens...]
how about "The Philippines,"
ReplyDeleteA different shorthand here, because it (and the Bahamas, Seychelles etc) is obviously "The Phillippine Islands". The Dutch East Indies decided to go for "Indonesia" rather than a definite article, as did Kiribati (formerly the Gilbert & Ellis Islands). As far as I can see, the hocus pocus about Great Britain and Northern Ireland is largely because it's spread across two-plus-change islands.
With regard to London streets, I notice that Camden has a high street that people call a high road while Kilburn has a high road that people call a high street. I think there's an element of classism here (or possibly it comes from when they were outlying villages), as one would never refer to Kensington High Road.
AFAIK, the Dutch don't refer to "The Netherlands", which is apparently a contemptuous German term for Holland.
ReplyDeleteI think they do - it just means "Low country" doesn't it? Their central bank is De Nederlandsche Bank which is all I really know.
ReplyDeleteWales is a great example of this, by the way; the Welsh name "Cymru" is simply a Brythonic word meaning, roughly, "us", while the English name "Wales" is a Saxon word meaning, roughly, "them".
High street's a descriptive term (main shopping street) as well as a name; here in SE26, I hear people calling Sydenham Road "the high street" or even "Sydenham High Street". Which could account for Kilburn, if Kilburn High Road's also the high street. Whereas in Camden, if you took down all the name plates on the main roads and asked a stranger which one was the high street, I'm not sure you'd get a unanimous vote.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm stating the obvious, but intuitively it seems to me that a 'Road' is something that takes you somewhere, whereas a 'High Street' is where you do your shopping once you get there. (Though I'm not quite sure about a 'High Road'.)
ReplyDeleteThis seems to be borne out in my neighbourhood: the long road that takes you from Raynes Park to Kennington is called various things along its route, but Tooting High Street and Clapham High Street seem fairly well aligned with the main shopping areas, compared to Upper Tooting Road and Clapham Road. I'm not sure what the implication of Balham High Road is – maybe it didn't have a main shopping drag when these names were firming up.
Quite why – as I've only just noticed – it finishes in Kennington with a short stretch called Newington Butts, one can only speculate.
the CIs or the IOM
ReplyDeleteNot in the UK, surely?
It's Nederland in Dutch, not De Nederlanden, so no definitive article there.
ReplyDelete'I'll be impressed if anyone can come up with a place name that takes the indefinite article.'
ReplyDeleteThere's 'The Cut', a small street behind Waterloo station in SE1. Street maps and the road sign use the definite article. Such a tiny place, in fact, that it's a pretty clear case of the exception proving the rule.
The City?
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you enter The here you get a lot of answers...
ReplyDeletedan, ejh: "the" is the definite article; the indefinite article is "a" or "an".
ReplyDeleteThere are lots of placenames in Scotland that start with "an" - "An Teallach", for example - but that's cheating because they're Gaelic, and "An" means "the".
Looking for the indefinite article, the best I can do is to take a couple of Scottish mountains like An Sgurr and pretend that I don't know that "An" is a definite article in Gaelic.
ReplyDeleteNB a couple of updates; "The Gambia" is apparently correct, though it still sounds a bit ignorant to my ear.
dan, ejh: "the" is the definite article; the indefinite article is "a" or "an".
ReplyDeleteGod, how embarrassing. That'll teach me to type while listening to the Chemical Brothers.
"AFAIK, the Dutch don't refer to "The Netherlands", which is apparently a contemptuous German term for Holland."
ReplyDeleteNo, in Dutch, Holland is the province that contains Amsterdam; Nederland is the whole country.
"the CIs or the IOM - Not in the UK, surely?"
Indeed not, but people from the CIs and IOM are [legally] British citizens, and the CIs and IOM are [geographically] part of the British Isles.
Semirelatedly to the "place name beginning with the indefinite article" discussion, iTunes incurably mis-files Belgian singer An Pierlé, because it ignores words that resemble definite and indefinite articles when putting things in alphabetical order...
the CIs and IOM are [geographically] part of the British Isles
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't have said that was true of the Channel Islands.
Just to inform you, it was Michael Moore who came up with 'United States of America' as the equivalent of Great Britain calling itself 'Combined Districts on an Island'.
ReplyDeleteIgor Belanov
The Channel Islands are within the legal entity defined as the British Islands. The OED says they're also within the geographical entity defined as British Isles, although I can see that might not look immediately obvious to all concerned.
ReplyDeleteWell, with regards to the Ukraine, that's one place that has its what some would call "colonial history" embodied in its name since it automatically begs the question of which "kraina" they were at the "U" of. I think they stuck with it cuz they could always answer "Europe".
ReplyDeleteWhereas the French ambassador will be the ambassador of France.
ReplyDeleteNot in French.
Captcha: "eebyzzk", which coincidentally is the noise made by my Doomed Attempt To Reason From Linguistic Inconsistency Alarm.
I forget which American comedian it was that noted that GREAT BRITAIN!!
ReplyDeleteMichael Moore. I think the "The Finchley Road" phenomenon dates from times when these really were the only road to whatever godforsaken twarf they led to. I seem to remember that the opening scenes of The Woman in White are set on the Finchley Road - deep in the country.
I really did read danbye's comment as saying '*definite* article'. I can't think of any excuse better than pure stupidity.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't redeem my stupidity, but I do note that Westward Ho!, according to Wikipedia, is the only place in the British Isles with an exclamation mark in its name, since it was named after the Charles Kingsley novel. Apparently there is also a town in Canada called ' Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, ' although I learn from the same source that its exclamation marks 'are only added colloquially unlike Westward Ho!'s.'
ReplyDelete1) The Hague?
ReplyDelete2) re: street names; Toronto has a major thoroughfare called "Avenue Road", which no Torontonian seems to think is the slightest bit odd. Apparently they built a road in an area once known informally as "The Avenue".
From the previous blog post:
ReplyDelete[2] See also the occupied territories and other global conflicts...
Today, both the Republic of the Congo and the DRC use the definite article, though I think there have been other names that haven't.
ReplyDeleteThere have been too many disingenuous names of states to even count, but talk of the DRC makes me wonder whether its initial incarnation as 'Congo Free State' qualifies as the most appallingly inappropriate name in history?
ReplyDeleteDRC is a bit like the Philippines - named after a geographical feature. If London separated it might become the Republic of the Thames.
ReplyDeleteNote that postcolonial countries named after ethnic or linguistic groups rather than geography - Botswana, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Vietnam, Malaysia - don't have a "the". Whether it's preferable to have an ethnic or a geographical name is an issue for debate.
Of course, the re-introduction of the IDA into the Congoes is a step backward linguistically from Zaire, which arguably matches up to the steps they've made developmentally.
ReplyDeleteZambia's named after the Zambezi but doesn't have an IDA; I'm beginning to suspect that actually the underlying reality here is just that country names are like band names and have fashions - there are definite cycles in definite article use in band names (btw I can think of A Certain Ratio but few other indefinite-article band names).
I think it's hard to beat "Congo Free State" (although "Orange Free State" would be up there too but it wasn't a country). "Central African Republic" is a pretty no-nonsense, does-what-it-say-on-the-tin kind of name, although obviously "Central African Dictatorship" would have been better.
ReplyDeleteThe CFS wasn't really in a Congo-free state, though - indeed, it was substantially more Congo-endowed than almost everywhere else [did the UK during WWII count as an orange-free state, or just as a banana-free state?]
ReplyDeleteA Tribe Called Quest are the only A band I can think of, although here are a whole load that I've never heard of and almost certainly never will.
"though" = "wasn't even" above.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure someone's mentioned this, but it's grammatically unlikely for any state which self-identifies as a republic not to have a definite article.
ReplyDeleteWell yeah, at the front of the formal name, but we're talking about the ordinary names here. Perhaps if we were really serious about avoiding ambiguity I'd call it the "post-imperial double definite article" - ie, the difference between "The Republic of Ukraine" and "The Republic of The Gambia"
ReplyDeleteHow could we forget A Flock of Seagulls? Speaking of naming fashion, A Silver Mt. Zion currently work as The Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra and Tra-la-la Band. They're from Montreal, which may explain something.
ReplyDeleteThe United States of America may have a crap name and many citizens who are a bit weak on geography, but at least we know the name of our native country. You, if I understand correctly, were born and bread in The United Kingdom (where the imperialist definite article is based on imperialism).
ReplyDeleteGreat Britain is an island -- it is a word for word translation of something the Romans said. They referred to another island as Lesser Britain (I think that maybe mabye I can get away with noting that obsolete historical fact, but I wouldn't advise anyone from Great Britain to do so). The damnable problem is that the United Kingdom extends beyond Great Britain to another Island (I'm not talking about Shetland) although I, for one, am not going to use the word tribal.
Orwell remarked that there were six names for the country he loved and that the only one which didn't offend large numbers of people was "Albion". He, of course, offended the maximum number of people by calling it England.
Guy didn't list the names though. I think they were
1) The British Empire (offended anti-imperialists including most imperial subjects)
2) England (offended Scots, Welsh and Unionist Northern Irish)
3) Great Britain (offended Unionist Northern Irish and people who wondered what was so great about it)
4) The United Kingdom (offended Republicans who weren't all in Ulster back then)
5) Albion
6) ??? I'm going with Britain with no Great which offends Unionist Northern Irish.
Hell at least we know what our country is called (tend to confuse it with 2 continents at times). I am proud to say that I am an Ame...ooops citizen of the United States of America (statunitense in Italian which has a word for me that my native language (borrowed from you guys) lacks).
"Did I ever tell you I was born in Zambia?" Yes but I read the blog from the top down so I didn't know. I stand corrected.
ReplyDeleteRe IDAs, doesnt the same thing apply to phrases like 'The [region] question'? i.e."The Afghan Question", "The Indian Question", "The Ugandan Question", and so on...? Again, there are exceptions. People still use the term "The Palestinian Question" quite a bit. But the whole 'question' thing now seems very much a relic of 19th century imperialism.
ReplyDeleteWell there's lots of The Republic ofs
ReplyDeleteand the definite article seems to have anticolonial connotations in some cases:
Northern Ireland versus The North, the Six Counties, for example ....
There is a UK cabinet minister with the title of Northern Ireland Secretary. But Irish newspapers never refer to him or her as such; it's always "Northern Secretary John Reid said today..."
ReplyDeletecaptain, I would say that the "the" in this case is more of an Irredentist Definite Article: people who use it generally want to annexe it to the Republic of Ireland, and so don't refer to it as a real entity - "Ulster" or "Northern Ireland" as in "Poland" or "Scotland", but just a region, like "the Highlands" or "the Cotswolds" or "the Midwest".
Have to chime in here from a Western Hemisphere perspective. In NYC there's definitely a "The Tottenham Court Road" thing going on with the Bowery, or the FDR Drive (often referred to as just "the Drive"). The country to our south is officially the United Mexican States, while if you go further south still, of course, you find the Argentine.
ReplyDeleteFor what it's worth, in Southern California people refer to Interstate 5 as "the 5" (perm. for other states).
ReplyDelete"United Arab Emirates" strikes me as a pretty no-nonsense name, though I'm sure someone will pop up to tell me they aren't really united. Surprised to see that they don't officially have a definite article.
On the "a" bands I've also heard of A Guy Called Gerald and A Certain Ratio, the latter possibly only because they take their name from an Eno/Manzanera song. (According to Wikipedia it originates with Hitler.) My favorite grammatically anomalous band name is When People Were Shorter And Lived Near The Water, though I don't think that has any application to countries.
I mean, perm. for other interstate highways.
ReplyDeleteWas The Pink Floyd more imperialist before or after dropping the definite article (along with the loony)?
ReplyDeleteAlso, I noticed on youtube a new (!) Spizzenergi song called "We Are the England." I'm afraid this usage is beyond my American ken.
ReplyDeleteThere may just be something in this, as a vague rule of thumb.
ReplyDelete"The Zionist Entity" / "Israel"
"The Gaza Strip" / "Gaza"
"The West Bank" / "The Occupied Territories" / "Palestine"
Doh - scratch the Gaza example.
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