The decline of manners in modern Britain
Carol Gould has a terrible time of it, the poor dear. She simply happened to mention that the McCann family don't love their children because they are not Jewish (or American), and it started an argument!
Carol Gould really doesn't have the luck though; she just seems to keep finding people who hate her everywhere she goes in London. She regularly considers leaving, but has somehow stuck it out for thirty years. Well done, Carol. Perhaps the only advice I could give would be that you might have an easier time of things if you were not such a spiteful old witch.
Update: I've just realised that this is the sort of thing that is often cited as an example of intellectual dishonesty or some such "now the Left shows its true colours, he failed to engage with my arguments and just called me a spiteful old witch". But really, what's to do here? If I were to start arguing about the question of whether it's appropriate or even human to write an article like Carol Gould's, then I would have already conceded the point that pissing all over a couple who have lost their baby is the sort of thing that reasonable human beings can have a debate about. It's not. Calling the author a spiteful old witch is the only sensible response here and is in fact the logical response, whereas a logical response would not be. cf Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations.
Second Update: I will, however, entertain arguments for the case that the specific epithet used "spiteful old witch" was sexist and I should have come up with something else. I personally think that this is well within the bounds of acceptable abusive language - the reference to Carol Gould's age is in the nature of a personal insult rather than a more general piece of misogyny, and while it is gender-specific, I don't think that "witch" is an intrinsically misogynistic epithet in the way that, say, "bitch" would have been. It is in the nature of personal abuse that it has to be personal, and therefore I don't see how you can rule out all references to specific personal attributes of the target, such as whether they're a woman or a man. If anyone thinks that I shouldn't be stooping to personal abuse at all, I remind them that the context is the article linked above, and once more include by citation the works of Ludwig Wittgenstein. By the way, check out the comments for a restaurant review that is an absolute pearl.
This statement has no substance whatsoever:
ReplyDelete'I am sure it is regarded as a violation of parental responsibility -- short of being an out-and-out crime -- in some American states to leave toddlers and babies unattended'
translation:
'I think that in some (unnamed) states is America, popular opinion probably disapproves of leaving young children unattended, but its not actually illegal or anything.'
I also think she's misrememberging about Israel; elsewhere on the site she talks about living in Israel "when Oslo was booming" and "in the aftermath of the Rabin assassination" which would have been the late 1990s. Kids did not have mobile phones in Israel at that time.
ReplyDeleteI was impressed by the notion that calling Lord Levy 'Lord Cashpoint' is somehow analogous to the assertion that Jewish people murder small children in pursuance of their religious rites.
ReplyDeleteBlimey.
Mind you, we need to be careful as Carol is part of the thin blue line defending us against the dhimmi nightmare:
ReplyDeleteEventually if all 260,000 Jews leave the UK there will be no more left to pick on. Then the British population will be confronted by the million-odd Jihadists.
This is quite serious as it implies that there are acually slightly more jihadis in the UK than there are Muslim adults.
She's still here then?
ReplyDeleteStill here and reviewing pizza restaurants apparently. Don't miss that one, btw, it's a peach. Or her review of the Queen Mary 2
ReplyDeletePerhaps she enjoys living in an anti-semitic cesspool? I'm reminded of Flying Rodent's "The Islamofascists Want To Destroy Everything I Hate About This Country": http://flyingrodent.blogspot.com/2007/06/islamofascists-want-to-destroy.html
ReplyDeleteAnyone have a one-way ticket to the US lying around?
Further, I'm amused to see that they are soliciting donations "to help with the bandwidth bills". Bandwidth bills? In your dreams..
ReplyDeleteOh yes, the captcha was "tory h".
I see that it is possible to book Carol to speak. Could we club together, hire a venue, invite all our friends and then wait for the write-up?
ReplyDeleteit has just struck me that it would be an excellent practical joke to do exactly that and then to quietly ring up all of our friends except one and arrange to not show up.
ReplyDeleteIf she's got me agreeing with D^2, she must be a witch.
ReplyDeletethe church-focussed families of the United States (statistically the most religiously observant Christian nation in the world) are intensely child-friendly
ReplyDeleteWould that be the same United States that managed to come below even Britain in a study of child happiness in various Western nations?
2. The nation that Israel is extremely child-friendly might be considered tendentious by parents of those children who live under Israeli control yet are less Israeli than others.
3. I do remember the original, ludicrous piece in which Americans were suffereing a tsunami of hatred yet it was hard to find a single American who had actually been physically molested, mistreated by the police or emigrated as a result of this wave of hatred.
I note she was "ITV Drama Commissioner at Anglia for many years". Tends to show what a bubble some people live in, doesn't it?
Oslo was booming before Rabin's murder, and arguably again between the Wye River talks and the crack up in 2000. Hence, that cd be 1998-2000. I think Israel was towards the front of the GSM adoption curve, and it was that period when subscriber numbers erupted in the UK with the arrival of PAYG.
ReplyDeletehmmmm, I spent quite a bit of time in Israel around 1999 pitching for a load of business to do with Bank Leumi, and I remember the phones being a bloody nightmare. But (it sez ere) that you are right about GSM introduction so maybe ...
ReplyDeleteJustin, she also made this claim:
ReplyDelete"Indeed, in previous generations when church was not at the receiving end of daily denigration by the media and Richard Dawkins, Britain also had a family and child-focussed social structure."
Right. The Britain of my youth, which was so kid friendly. Or maybe she means previous generations of upper middle class Brits with their nannies and public schools. Or maybe pre-factory act Britain. Anyway, thanks for sorting that one out, Dawkins, we owe you.
This I kind of doubt though:
"My worst moment in this near-month that has passed since the poor child’s disappearance was the sight of the McCanns arriving at church in the Portuguese village applauded by a long, deep reception line of local expatriate Britons and tourists."
This from the women who seems to attract anti-semitic/US abuse everywhere she goes. It seems unlikely that would be her worst moment...
Dawkins has a profile in "Metro" this morning in which he says (utterly out of context by me, btw):
ReplyDelete"Thou shalt not kill" only means "Thou shalt not kill other Jews"
I rilly rilly hope Carol Gould read Metro this morning
Where is this argument or comments? I only get the Gould piece, not any replies.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I haven't read any of his books, but Dave Pelzer seems to be a refutation of Ms Gould's point about child care in the US.
Ah scratch that. I realised DD meant his comments, not comments on the Gould article.
ReplyDelete"it has just struck me that it would be an excellent practical joke to do exactly that and then to quietly ring up all of our friends except one and arrange to not show up"
ReplyDeleteWhy waste such a wonderful opportunity to heckle?
It'd be like one of those 'canned hunts' Dick Cheney enjoys.
I was living in Israel in the summer of 1995, when owning a cellphone in the US before age 18 was prima facie evidence of drug/gang involvement. We'd routinely see 8 year old kids in the parks with their pelephones, whining "no, ima, I didn't want an orange, I wanted a banana!"
ReplyDeleteThis all happened between my previous stint, ending just after the Rabin election in June 1992, and May 1995. I don't think any Western country, even Finland, was close to Israel in cellphone saturation in the mid-1990s.